jaderabbit (jaderabbit) wrote in linguaphiles,

Gender-neutral Spanish pronouns?

I'm working on a speculative fiction story that needs gender-neutral Spanish pronouns. My Spanish is rusty (and was never very sophisticated to start with), so I could use some help. I found an article that states near the end that "ello" is a gender-neutral pronoun...is that assertion correct? If so, is it archaic or just little-used? And what would the related pronouns be?

My story is set in The Future!, so if there are any cutting-edge gender-neutral Spanish pronouns, I'd like to know what they are. Otherwise, I may have to use "ello" or make some up.

EDIT: Thanks for the responses so far. I'm looking for something like "zie/zir" in Spanish. "Ello" sounds like a poor fit. If nothing exists, I will make something up.
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"Ello" is gender-neutral, yes, but it would be like using "it" to talk about a person.
I wouldn't call it "gender-neutral"; I'd call it "neuter gender", which isn't the same thing at all. It's even weirder than using "it" for a person because ello is only used for abstracts. For instance:
Si no hay fondos suficientes para los jubilados, ello seguramente se debe a que el dinero se gasta en otros rubros.
"If there are not sufficient funds for the retirees, it surely is due to spending the money on other line items."
Ello (corresponding to "it" in the translation) refers back to the entire first clause, i.e. the fact of there being insufficient pension funds. Think about how bizarre it would be to take a pronoun with that kind of usage and use it to stand for a person.
Is it a synonym for eso then?

I ask because in Portuguese, isso could ostensibly be used there.
Esto, eso, aquello can all be used to refer to things like statements, facts and ideas.
Right. So could ello and eso (or esto) be used interchangeably in the sentence muckefuck provided?
I'd think so. But as it's been noted, these pronouns aren't to be used to refer to living things.

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Yes there is: Under "Pronouns", it says "Other Spanish-speaking people, though, advocate for the use of elle/elles."

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Me neither, and none of the Hispanohablantes I asked about this were familiar with it either. But at least to my L2 ears, it sounds better than "ello".


4 years ago

Feminist activists proposed to introduce the pronouns elle/elles in Spanish in order to avoid the masculine/femenine gender dichotomy, but they aren't actually used in the spoken language and written media here in Spain. I can't tell you how common they are on other Spanish-speaking countries.

As someone noted before, ello is used for abstract ideas, and it can be quite formal too.

You can use the neutral demonstratives esto/eso/aquello - or you can mention the thing you are talking about in a general way or using hyperonims. In Spanish you don't need to always mention the subject of your sentence like in English, so in my opinion the latter is easier.

Be careful when using adjectives, since they need to have the same gender of the noun they refer to. Although if you are picky enough with word choice, you can find a way around adjectives - and maybe around neutral demonstratives too.
If I remember right, my friend, who lived in Chile for a bit and hung out with some nonbinary people there, says that the most common is "elle," with "-e" endings rather than "-o" or "-a." It's difficult for me to Google this to see how common it is.

I'm not sure what the equivalent for "el" and "la" would be, but I'd guess "le," so you'd have some constructions like "le maestre."

This page offers some other words that I haven't personally heard: http://nonbinary.org/wiki/Gender_neutral_language
This is wonderful! I thought I'd fished out Wikipedia, but this is exactly what I need. The fact that you've actually heard it is a major plus. Thank you!
But one should not forget about or confuse such uses of le(s) with leismo.

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