panzeleche (panzeleche) wrote in linguaphiles,
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Rolled or trilled 'R'

This is the bane of pronunciation for me, and probably for others as well.

My first language was Spanish, but my parents never taught me how to trill or roll the Rs. I was told to say 'erre con erre cigarro', but that stupid tongue twister did crap for me (I use that word because that's how I feel whenever I say or hear someone say that phrase :( ).

I'm 14 now and the rr still laughs at me. I replaced it with a buzzing r; it's difficult for me to explain. It's like a rolled r, but more like a buzz. I can sustain it for around 5 seconds. It sounds very little like the rr my parents can do. My sister can't do the rolled r either. I don't have a condition that prevents me from making this sound and I know that it can be learned.

I've tried guides, seeing the inside of the mouth, explanations, and it's all been stupid. No, saying 'dra dra dra dra' does nothing for me. I can say 'ra ra ra ra ra ra ra' over and over again but if I have to do that really artificial and unnaturally slow 'rolled' r instead of what I use, I'll take the quicker and more understandable buzzed drrr any day.

I've tried 'making machine gun sounds', 'purring like a cat', saying 'VISION DREAM' (caps required), and all that. I've said 'tee dee va' to unstress the tongue (how do I know when it's not stressed?). None of it is even close. I had some success yesterday making a throaty rolled r, but only achieved it once before sounding like I was coughing up phlegm.

The worst part is that the rolled r is so common that I get really bothered when I see that it's a sound in other languages. It's enough to make me think I should just stick to English and French where I can actually make the sounds, even if with some difficulty (I'm talking to YOU, French).

Can someone please give me a way to roll the Rs in perro and rapido? I would really appreciate it (and am certain many people would appreciate it as well!) I plan to record myself later so you can hear my buzzed r (it's like replacing the z in bzzz with an r). If you have a video that can accurately explain it, I would appreciate it. I've been trying to roll my Rs every day for the past 12-13 years and have failed, so clearly I need a new approach.

Thank you!
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