January 6th, 2011

It Must Be Bunnies!
  • runa27

New Scientist's Letters column, on the usefulness and capabilities of spoken vs. sign language

(Cross-posted from comments on an ASL post)

I read New Scientist today. Their Letters section included the following:

Raised Hands
From Gwydion Williams

Your Instant Expert on the evolution of language says the selection pressures that encouraged our heavy reliance on speech rather than sign language remain elusive (4 December).

I have never used sign language but it must be tricky addressing someone who is not already looking at you. I suppose there is no equivalent of shouting or whispering.

It would be worth consulting someone who habitually uses both, to learn more about the merits between the two modes.


Which is just all kinds of whaaaaat? Of course there's an equivalent to speaking softly or shouting! It's called "body language" and "facial expressions", not to mention how forcefully or how gently the signs are made. Duh? About the only point he actually has I think is how it's difficult if the person isn't looking at you, though how that's much worse than someone otherwise simply not paying attention, I don't know.

Additionally, the editor's response was:

Good point. The counter-argument is that there are certain disadvantages to speaking out loud, such as alerting predators and prey to your presence. It is also precluded in noisy environments

Which made me recall zompist.org's Language Construction Kit, wherein the point is actually made that spoken language tends to actually have a lot of built-in redundancy precisely because it helps overcome distortion, as from background noise.

I think the magazine is probably a bit better on its math and physics than its linguistics.

Either way... any thoughts on all this?
pixelated moi
  • tisoi

Conservative Greek variety, Romeyka

This has been in the media lately. Romeyka, a conservative variety of Greek spoken by about 5000 in Turkey is being by a Cambridge philologist. One of the things it preseves is the infinitive which standard Modern Greek lacks. There is an article about it in the UK newspaper Independent.

On another note, I can totally see this as being hyped as "OMG ANCIENT GREEK WAS FOUND IN TURKEY" the way that Elizabeth English is rumored to survive in Appalachia.

Also, could a Greek speaker comment on this? Is it intelligible? I'm interested in seeing a transcription of what was said and a translation into Standard Modern Greek.