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aduial_eternal [userpic]

I collect orphaned photos. Most of them don't have anything written on them, and the ones that do are almost always in english. This photo, however, has a note written in (according to google translate) Polish.
Unfortunately that's pretty much all I've been able to figure out. I've tried several different translation sites, but so far they all just spit out exactly what I've written, with no translation. So, I'm hoping someone here can help me. I would love to know what this note says.

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And since this is my first post here, hello!

Current Location: AK
Current Mood: cheerfulcheerful
Current Music: Imagine Dragons- Tiptoe
Whodunnit? [userpic]

This was something I recorded for something else, but I thought it might be interesting for here, to get people to record themselves speaking their non-native language(s). This is me reading out some German text. I'm from the UK, but have spent quite a lot of time working in Austria as you might be able to tell at some points.


Audio recording >>

You can record yourself on the vocaroo website, or if it won't work with your computer like it did with mine, upload a file there you recorded elsewhere.

petrusplancius [userpic]

Is there any close equivalent in English for a 'Kipf' (South German, here 19th Century) as a piece of bread shaped in a specific way; I can picture how it looks, but can't think of an appropriate word to use as a translation.

offthebeat333 [userpic]

i can't find this song's french lyrics... (on the web)

please help me identify these lyrics.

P.S.: I need french lyrics. NOT translation.

Hello linguaphiles,

I came across this German joke (apparently), and I don't understand it. Why Bannmeile? Is the German translation of the English phrse correct?

"... die Seite mit den wichtigsten Sätzen.
Einer davon lautet: "Akzeptieren Sie MasterCard?" Aber sicher doch! Innerhalb der Bannmeile ganz sicher. Auch super..."

Source:
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/fotopackage-die-fifa-box-des-gluecks-1.109522-3

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karinmollberg (Mollberg is a C.M. Bellman quote) [userpic]

"If you can pronounce correctly every word in this poem, you will be speaking English better than 90% of the native English speakers in the world.

After trying the verses, a Frenchman said he’d prefer six months of hard labour to reading six lines aloud."

Quote from http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2011/12/23/english-pronunciation/ (see below)

"Dearest creature in creation,
Study English pronunciation.
I will teach you in my verse
Sounds like corpse, corps, horse, and worse.
I will keep you, Suzy, busy,
Make your head with heat grow dizzy.
Tear in eye, your dress will tear.
So shall I! Oh hear my prayer.
Just compare heart, beard, and heard,
Dies and diet, lord and word,
Sword and sward, retain and Britain.
(Mind the latter, how it’s written.)
Now I surely will not plague you
With such words as plaque and ague.
But be careful how you speak:
Say break and steak, but bleak and streak;
Cloven, oven, how and low,
Script, receipt, show, poem, and toe.
Hear me say, devoid of trickery,
Daughter, laughter, and Terpsichore,
Typhoid, measles, topsails, aisles,
Exiles, similes, and reviles;
Scholar, vicar, and cigar,
Solar, mica, war and far;
One, anemone, Balmoral,
Kitchen, lichen, laundry, laurel;
Gertrude, German, wind and mind,
Scene, Melpomene, mankind.
Billet does not rhyme with ballet,
Bouquet, wallet, mallet, chalet.
Blood and flood are not like food,
Nor is mould like should and would.
Viscous, viscount, load and broad,
Toward, to forward, to reward.
And your pronunciation’s OK
When you correctly say croquet,
Rounded, wounded, grieve and sieve,
Friend and fiend, alive and live.
Ivy, privy, famous; clamour
And enamour rhyme with hammer.
River, rival, tomb, bomb, comb,
Doll and roll and some and home.
Stranger does not rhyme with anger,
Neither does devour with clangour.
Souls but foul, haunt but aunt,
Font, front, wont, want, grand, and grant,
Shoes, goes, does. Now first say finger,
And then singer, ginger, linger,
Real, zeal, mauve, gauze, gouge and gauge,
Marriage, foliage, mirage, and age.
Query does not rhyme with very,
Nor does fury sound like bury.
Dost, lost, post and doth, cloth, loth.
Job, nob, bosom, transom, oath.
Though the differences seem little,
We say actual but victual.
Refer does not rhyme with deafer.
Feoffer does, and zephyr, heifer.
Mint, pint, senate and sedate;
Dull, bull, and George ate late.
Scenic, Arabic, Pacific,
Science, conscience, scientific.
Liberty, library, heave and heaven,
Rachel, ache, moustache, eleven.
We say hallowed, but allowed,
People, leopard, towed, but vowed.
Mark the differences, moreover,
Between mover, cover, clover;
Leeches, breeches, wise, precise,
Chalice, but police and lice;
Camel, constable, unstable,
Principle, disciple, label.
Petal, panel, and canal,
Wait, surprise, plait, promise, pal.
Worm and storm, chaise, chaos, chair,
Senator, spectator, mayor.
Tour, but our and succour, four.
Gas, alas, and Arkansas.
Sea, idea, Korea, area,
Psalm, Maria, but malaria.
Youth, south, southern, cleanse and clean.
Doctrine, turpentine, marine.
Compare alien with Italian,
Dandelion and battalion.
Sally with ally, yea, ye,
Eye, I, ay, aye, whey, and key.
Say aver, but ever, fever,
Neither, leisure, skein, deceiver.
Heron, granary, canary.
Crevice and device and aerie.
Face, but preface, not efface.
Phlegm, phlegmatic, ass, glass, bass.
Large, but target, gin, give, verging,
Ought, out, joust and scour, scourging.
Ear, but earn and wear and tear
Do not rhyme with here but ere.
Seven is right, but so is even,
Hyphen, roughen, nephew Stephen,
Monkey, donkey, Turk and jerk,
Ask, grasp, wasp, and cork and work.
Pronunciation (think of Psyche!)
Is a paling stout and spikey?
Won’t it make you lose your wits,
Writing groats and saying grits?
It’s a dark abyss or tunnel:
Strewn with stones, stowed, solace, gunwale,
Islington and Isle of Wight,
Housewife, verdict and indict.
Finally, which rhymes with enough,
Though, through, plough, or dough, or cough?
Hiccough has the sound of cup.
My advice is to give up!!!"

The Chaos by Charivarius aka G. Nolst Trenité

http://ncf.idallen.com/english.html#introduction

Posted by caddyman at http://theboringclub.livejournal.com/69527.html

King Odin [userpic]

Why is a box office failure called a "bomb?" As I see it, bombs blow things away, so I would think of a cinematic bomb to be a success, blowing away the competition. Personally, I prefer the term "flop."

Current Mood: curiouscurious
Current Music: American Dad - "Stan of Arabia"
Таити. Райские острова и панды на бамбуке. [userpic]

An attempt of decypherment of an unknown text.
Join it.

Оригинал взят у maumu в Тайная надпись


[am-ar-an-a]
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клинописи. Идея — [info]

Давайте смоделируем задачу реальной дешифровки древних языков.
Вы напишете надпись на неизвестном языке неизвестными знаками, как в ситуации с Фестским диском, например, а я попробую её разгадать.
Правила такие:

Выберите английский или русский язык.
Потом напишите на листе бумаги русский или латинский алфавит, вот так, и зашифруйте каждую букву отдельным знаком, любым

a - w
b - =
c - &
d - e
e -
f - 9
...
и так далее.

А потом напишите три-четыре фразы на выбранном языке.
Не говоря, естественно, какой язык тут зашифрован.
Получится примерно вот так :

df7@s ui 2gty+. ar jdsjk% o)lg dsae. e@sgh* w!f5.

Слова отделяем пробелами, в конце фраз ставим точки.
А я попробую определить язык и значение хотя бы некоторых знаков.

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kisto4ka [userpic]

Hi! Can somebody help me pleeeaaase with the translation into English? Need it urgently...

Der angegebene Kontostand berücksichtigt nicht die Wertstellung der einzelnen Buchungen. Dies bedeutet, dass der angezeigte Betrag nicht dem für die Zinsrechnung maßgeblichen Kontostand entsprechen muss und bei Verfügungen möglicherweise Zinsen für die Inanspruchnahme einer eingeräumten oder geduldeten Kontoüberziehung anfallen können.

Thank you!!!


esferio [userpic]

I heard that the Harry Potter books had been adapted for American young readers according to the American English standarts. Can you give me some examples of what for instance were changed in the original writing? I want to know a few examples of what American children could not easily understand unlike British kids of the same age. Just wondering...
Thank you in advance.

By the way, did Canadian or Australian editions of Harry Potter differ from the British one?

Update: The request is closed. Thanks again.

whswhs [userpic]

This came up in one of my two current rpg campaigns: A player gave me a background for his character that involves his struggling against an archenemy who works through an organization called "Soldiers of the Usurper." I'm bringing them on stage by having them work through a group of underground organizations whose native language is Egyptian Arabic. So I'd like to give an Arabic phrase that translates as "soldiers of the usurper." Could someone provide a translation?

It doesn't have to be literally "usurper." It could be "overthrower" or "upriser" or something like that.

♡ M A R I N A ♡ [userpic]

How do you say "from the sea" in German? As in, "my name is Marina which means 'from the sea'"

tuyet_meo [userpic]

Hello! I find this community so valuable and always appreciate the help and insight everyone offers.

I love languages, and I was wondering what are some practical strategies you utilize, when trying to keep up and practise on your own? I am a grad student, taking courses in special education, so it's hard to find a means of studying outside of that. It's easier when there are structured classes to take for a language, but I don't have the funds for doing that currently.

Thank you all =) Look forward to hearing your thoughts and hope you are all enjoying your language studies.

mamcu [userpic]

In the dictionary, both "kraut" and "kohl" are translated just as "cabbage." Are the two words interchangeable? I got the idea that maybe "kraut" is not used much, except in "sauerkraut." But I don't speak German, so would appreciate some information about the two words.

avium concentus in agris [userpic]

map-logo
This is the logo of "Miyansera", a restaurant in Lüleburgaz, Turkey. They told us that the turtle is carrying a flame, because the Ottomans used to have living turtles with candles on their backs crawling through their gardens at night, like slow fireflies or will-o'-the-wisps. (I like the mental image and I refuse to worry about health and safety or animal rights issues here. It's not contemporary anyway.)

"Miyansera" is supposed to be the word for this custom, but couldn't confirm this so far. Can you?

Solved (I think): I'm told that "miyansera" (or
"miyânserây") means "inner yard". Which makes perfect sense, for the restaurant is constructed like this.

Таити. Райские острова и панды на бамбуке. [userpic]

Оригинал взят у maumu в Как расшифровывают древние языки ?

Так же, как и современные.
Представьте, что в руки дешифровщика попал обрывок бумаги всего с двумя буквами - "аь".
Что можно выжать из него? Возможно ли это?
Возможно.

Дешифровщик сразу скажет: это чеченский язык, надпись сделана не ранее 1937 года и не позднее 1988.
Почему он так уверен?

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Neverspeak [userpic]

Is anyone familiar with the old Anki? I have a deck made up of two types of cards (two templates). One is front: word and back: picture, and the other is the reverse of that (picture on the front, word on the back).

With every other deck I've ever created, Anki first presents me with cards from that first template: shows me the word, and the answer is the picture. Depending on the preferences I've set, cards from the reverse template start to show up some time in the future. With my latest deck, cards from the reverse template are showing up first, which I do not want. Why? Or, more importantly, how can I change this?

Hi all!

Please, could you enlighten me on what "desk diving scratches" means? As far as I understand these are scratches commonly found on the surface of wrist watches? But I would be thankful for further explanation. Why diving? And what does "desk" refer to?

Ei tea kust ilmunud nagu poleks midagi juhtunud [userpic]

Dear friends,
Please help me to translate or at least understand what is said here:
3. Keera rullile üks pööre ja murra seejärel äärmised tühjad küljed keskele.
4. Rulli tortilla lõpuni kinniste otsadega toruks.
Many thanks in advance!

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Neverspeak [userpic]

Does anyone know how I might be able to type the symbol he? I'm on a laptop and I guess I don't have enough keys, maybe it is a key combination or alt-key? Here it is shown two keys to the left of the Backspace key:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/KB_Japanese.svg/1280px-KB_Japanese.svg.png

but I don't have that key on my keyboard. I've tried Shift+ every single key, still can't find it. I also can't find small や.

John Kelly [userpic]

(Cross-posted to Library of Babel, but that community seems moribund.)

This is Italian, but clearly not standard Italian. It's the text of a madrigal by Orazio Vecchi (1550-1605). Here's the original--my attempt at improving on Luigi Cataldi's translation follows. The part that puzzles me most is the last line: "Nuo per nuo". Many thanks, and I hope you enjoy this piece.

Deh vita allabastrina
Rioseninetta damaschina
Perche tanto martir à chi si muore

Se ben sarò slonzao
Vi vorrò sempre ben
fin c'harò fiao

O viso in zuccara
Deh vien te priego al quia
Che me stilo il ceruello
E vago in bruo
Nuo per nuo

///

Ah, alabaster life,
Little damask rose,
Why do you torment so one who is dying?

Even if I get drunk
I will love you
As long as I'm conscious.

Oh, sugar-sweet face,
Ah, come, I beg you, here,
For I'm going mad
and breaking down
for us.

petrusplancius [userpic]

A Wasserkufen standing in the street in early 19th Century Nuremberg. What exactly would this have been? What would it have been used for? A passing stranger was observed to wash his hands in it. Would this have been unusual behaviour?

avium concentus in agris [userpic]

In David Prudhomme's "Einmal durch den Louvre" ("La Traversée du Louvre"; German translation: Ulrich Pröfrock) the narrator, overwhelmed by all the statues, quickly leaves the museum, "bevor ich's an der Murmel kriege..."

1.) I suspect it's supposed to mean something like "before I lose my marbles"?
2.) But surely it's not a common German expression? At least I've never heard it (Austrian, 39 y.o.). It turns out it is! (At least in some parts.)
3.) What can the original French have been?

Julie [userpic]

What do these mean?
kanji

Ironically, I probably made this, albeit over 15 years ago, so I don't remember what it means.

Firerose Arien [userpic]

I know it's an odd request, but I'm looking for how you would say lightning bringer, or 'one who brings lightning' in Hebrew. Vowels are appreciated, since I'm not familiar with the word for lightning or the various forms of the word 'bring'.

Todah rabah!

lied_ohne_worte [userpic]

I've come across an expression that I'm not familiar with.

Basically, I've been watching #BraGer in the BBC commentary, because I wanted to know what impartial commentators had to say (except for, I was surprised to hear, rather offensively misidentifying the German anthem). In the second half, when it's 5-0, the commentator says: "I think Germany might declare at any moment." Now, I'm familiar with a number of meanings of "declare" and expressions involving it, but I'm not fully sure what this is about except that I don't think it's something from football.

I found references to "declaring" having something to do with cricket matches being finished early - could it be that, or is it something else? My knowledge of cricket is non-existent except that people have to wear exactly the right kind of clothes (thank you, Dorothy L. Sayers), there are wickets, and people run around the field like in what is called "Brennball" in our schools.

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Rai [userpic]

I have seen that for many languages there exist stories written with the express goal of giving beginners something to read--normally they limit the vocabulary to a certain number of words, and those words tend to be (for the most part) stuff you'd see in beginning classes, etc.

I was wondering if such a thing exists for Chinese and if so, if anyone knows where I could find it? Traditional characters are much preferred but really I'll take anything.

Thanks in advance :)

Trible [userpic]

I'm GMing a roleplaying game where Our Heroes (Brick and Glyph) will be fighting a pair of super-powered bank robbers, Blue Wombat (who isn't Australian, but *really* wants to be) and Wallaby (who actually is Australian).

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Some specific things I'd like put in the most exaggerated Australian accent possible:
"Hey, that's not the old guy who usually comes to stop us [Anonymous]. That guy [Brick] looks like a brick wall, and the other bloke [Glyph] has glowing eyes"
assorted insults and taunts to said superheroes
"I'm not leaving yet, Wallaby, we can beat them"

And anything else you think might come up in a battle between a pair of bank robbers and a pair of superheroes. If there's anything in particular that you think Wallaby might say (that is different from what an equivalent American character would say), that would be helpful, as well.

(edited to give it a more accurate title)

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Olga Yermishkina [userpic]

Hello,

I have two question on Finnish language.

1. Is there a website where I can buy or download electronic books in Simplified Language (selkosuomi, selkokirjat)? They must be for adults. I found several books on suomalainen.com, but they are not electronic.

2. I want to send postcards in Finnish language. I registered on postcrossing.com, but soon I found out that I can't choose the country where I will send. Is there a way I can get addresses of people who are willing to receive postcards, limited to specific country? Any ideas?

Thank you very much in advance!

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Julie [userpic]



Anyone know what this graffiti says?
(Not 100% sure that it's Bulgarian.)

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petrusplancius [userpic]

I would be grateful if any Dutch-speaker could help me to interpret an unfamiliar expression in the following sentence from an old maritime narrative. We were trying to sail south over the equator, 'maer de windt en wilde ons niet dienen, leyden alsoo die beste Bough voor ende quamen temet om de noort.'

petrusplancius [userpic]

I need an immediately intelligible English equivalent for 'het Goereetsche gat' for a translation of an old Dutch narrative, would 'the Goeree Channel' be most appropriate?

Panda Girang [userpic]



Hello, I wonder if any Polish speaker who has some free time can translate this song?
I've been listening to this on repeat and it would be nice to know what the song is about :)

Nie bede tu póde dalej
karcmorecko winka nalej.
Nalej, nalej do puchara karcmorecko malowana. x2

Hej, Hanecko przerozkoszna,
gdzies Ty taka siumna rosła?
Rosła, rosła przekwitała i cerwone licka miała. x2

Dobrze temu jest Jankowi,
co się żeni przy łojcowi.
Przy łojcowi przy mateli ta mu serce rozweseli. x2

(I'm not sure why there's a polish translation of above lyric?)

Nie będę tu, pójdę dalej
Nie będę tu, pójdę dalej
Karczmareczko winka nalej
Nalej, nalej do puchara Karczmareczko malowana x2

Hej, Haneczko przerozkoszna
gdzie Ty taka wspaniała rosła?
Rosła, rosła, przekwitała i czerwone policzki miała x2

Dobrze temu jest Jankowi,
co się żeni przy ojcu
Przy ojcu przy matce ta mu serce rozweseli x2

http://www.tekstowo.pl/piosenka,gooral,karczmareczka.html

thanks in advance!

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Oryx-and-Crake [userpic]

Dear linguaphiles,

I am working on translation of a book by Alice Munro and I have come across a sentence that I don't understand.
"The visitor who rose to be introduced was tall and thin and sallow, with a face that seemed to hang in pleats, precise and melancholy."
I don't understand how his face can be hanging in pleats (this, in itself, happens if there is a lot of extra skin) and be precise at the same time. Extra skin suggests a certain sloppiness or flabbiness, which, in my opinion, is incompatible with being precise. Either the word precise has some very specific meaning here, or I am missing something. Please help.

roselyndoll [userpic]

Hello. I am an English learner and have a question related to English. I have been reading a book which was translated into (American) English in 1904. In the beginning the author is introduced. The introduction includes a clause that goes  "it is for humanity, pure and simple, that he stands". If I understand correctly, "pure and simple" defines humanity, which makes the clause "He stands for pure and simple humanity". Am I right? I am asking because for me it would make more sence (my native is Finnish) if it said "it is for humanity, purely and simply, that he stands". I am also not certain about the English language usage in the beginning of the 1900s.

asher63 [userpic]

It's my understanding that in Modern Hebrew, 'abba' [אבא] (which I think comes from Aramaic) is generally used for "father" rather than the older form 'av'[אב]; as in 'ha-abba shel David' for "David's father".

Is 'av' ever used in Modern Hebrew? And if so, in what context?

Similarly for 'ima' vs 'em'.

Also, what are the plural forms (regular and dependent) for 'abba' and 'ima'?

FNU NMN LNU [userpic]

I apologize in advance for a potentially very silly question: how realistic is the supposedly Arabic name transliterated as Gassan (or Hassan) Abdurra[c]hman ibn Chottab (or Hottab)?

What, if anything, can be said about its provenance based on the transliteration?

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ASH [userpic]

If "sine metu" means "without fear", how would you say "with fear"?

Thanks in advance! :)

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Dear linguaphiles,

could you please help me identify that phrase at the very beginning of an It's my life remix (the original version is by Dr Alban). You can hear it at the very beginning. What language is it, Spanish? And what's the meaning?

Here is a link to the video:
youtube.com/watch?v=d0CuNNRUmSk

Thank you in advance!

little panda [userpic]

Is there any kind of research or explanation why some slang/nonstandard words go on to become part of our vocabulary while others are trendy for a while and then drop out of use almost completely?

mamcu [userpic]

Some of you might enjoy this Slate article discussing various theories of the ordering of adjectives in English phrases.

booq [userpic]

Hi everybody,

the text below has got something obscure to me:

This latent symptom is like a dark warrior, hiding behind a closed door, ready to attack when weakness is perceived.

The meaning is quite clear. The question, Is this very character of dark warrion, hiding behing a closed door something well-known or fabulous? Whence has the writer taken it from? Or is it just an author's fiction maybe?

Julie [userpic]

What are the plural forms of "haiku" and "senryu"?
Thanks.

Oryx-and-Crake [userpic]

Dear linguaphiles,

I have come across a sentence that puzzled me. It describes someone who has grown up in a rich family and led a protected life: "Jocelyn had been insulated in some ways, left stem and innocent." I have never seen 'stem' as an adjective before. It may be a typo and the real word may be 'stern' which makes slightly more sense in the context, but still not a lot. Any ideas?

sharplet_ed [userpic]

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Julie [userpic]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBfEUTO4Uvs#t=161

the guy sings in Russian and English
and i can make out "nazdorovye" (sp?) the "cheers" expression
but is there something else in Russian in there?

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frozen fields [userpic]

Dear Linguaphiles,

I will greatly appreciate help translating the following into Russian:
I, [...], a Notary Public commissioned by the State of Illinois, USA, hereby certify that this document consisting of 16 pages, is a complete, true and correct photocopy of the original passport of [...]. 
Many thanks in advance!

avium concentus in agris [userpic]

Annemarie Schimmel in "Die drei Versprechen des Sperlings" says that the Arabic term for extreme hunger is ju' al-baqar, literally "hunger of the cow". She explains that the cow symbolizes insatiability and quotes a poem by Rumi: There is a small green island where one white cow lives alone, a meadow of an island. The cow grazes until nightfall, full and fat, but during the night she panics and grows thin as a single hair. "What will I eat tomorrow? There's nothing left!" By dawn the grass has grown up again, waist-high. The cow starts eating and by dark the meadow is clipped short. She is full of strength and energy, but she panics in the dark as before and grows abnormally thin overnight. The cow does this over and over and this is all she does. She never thinks, "This meadow has never failed to grow back. What should I be afraid every night that it won't?" The cow is the bodily soul. The island field is this world where that grows lean with fear and fat with blessing, lean and fat. White cow, don't make yourself miserable with what is to come or not to come.

The ancient Greeks had the same word: boulimia, again: "hunger of the cow". It's not a poetic metaphor, but e.g. sober Xenophon uses the term when his soldiers are too hungry to march on, Anabasis 5.4.7.

Strange that they both independendly picked the cow - and not the wolf or the locust or fire or whatever. Does anybody know why this is? And how do you say in your languages?

Maybe "cow" is just used to intensify the word that follows? Cf. German "Schweinegeld", "Schweinearbeit" etc. - literally "money of the pig", "work of the pig" - just means "a lot of money, work". Of course, this explanation doesn't satisfy my cow-hunger for stories.

Translator who loves her work [userpic]

Does anyone know the correct word for this stand:
http://kinfo.ru/user/upload/file306657.jpg (item 10 - a kind of drawer)
http://www.environmentalhistory.org/revcomm/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/be041023-standard.jpg?

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How this round contraption was called http://project-time-machine.com/blogtech/wp-content/uploads/tinfoil_edison.jpg ? I would call it a roller but maybe it had some special name?

UPDATE. And how do you call this big umbrella-like thing on top of a phonograph?
See http://www.bekkahwalker.net/comt111a/websites_11/kim_site/index.html http://www.bekkahwalker.net/comt111a/websites_11/kim_site/index.html

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